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Commanders are still in work. From what I remember, last time they were shown both EDA and Guard commanders didn't have their weapons set, only placeholder ones. Also neither of the 3 have their unique abilities yet.

Yeah, commanders fighting is currently everything but cool :D So I'll show that once it looks better. I will be showing other stuff in the future streams, once I have time for them again.

@@volodymyr_budii ahh i see...i cant wait to see that!!! The commanders in supcom were always my favorite part

Something like that is planned

@@speed2cz Great!! thanks for your response :)

No date yet, but soon™ Best if you follow us on the kickstarter and you'll get notified

What you watch is a pre-alpha version that was made for showcase, where lot of the features were done quickly to look good and not be performant. That's why the survival mode Im playing doesn't have 10k units.

There is only one plater in this video right, do you understand that one person can not possibly control even 5k units? Hell, i doubt that even for a 5x5 teams it is not gonna be a hard task to reach such limit.

As the game is currently in pre-alpha, a lot of the things are placeholders.

Huh?

Its probably gonna look similar to what you can see now. There's still a lot of features missing for commanders.

We will track kills but most likely won't increase HP and if we do, it's won't be insta boost.

@@speed2cz Thanks for the answer! This is very bad :( . It removes the need to save units and let them grow. In fact, it removes another dimension to the strategy. It’s strange that while accepting other SC:FA mechanics, you didn’t accept this one :(. Most people I know don’t care about this option. But for some, it’s critical.

Well in FA this mechanic is relevant basically just for Exps and commanders, where it makes a huge difference. For all the other units, it basically doesn't matter

@@mikhailromanov1802 It just doesn't make sense for this type of game. This is a large scale strategy with hundreds of units - even if you try to be careful with your units, you can't micro each unit out of a hundred in your army to take any use of this veterancy mechanics. You won't be able to track your high veterancy units in between all the new spam, and they will inevitably just die in big fights. As Speed 2 already said, this game mechanic is useless for anything but a commander, experimental, couple first units of t2/t3 and early raid units(in case with raid units, it is not even a reward for keeping them alive - this is straight up snowballing mechanic. A lot of times I had my first bomber from second factory kill multiple engineers, barely survive AA because of extra HP+regen from veterancy and go on killing 3-5 more engineers, even though he should have objectively died) . If you do a bad fight, you leave your enemy a lot of reclaime. It is already enough of a punishment to have a need to save units without enemy also snowballing unit power for free with veterancy. Besides, how can mindless machines even get veterancy? The only conscious being on the battlefield are commanders, and they are the only one that could learn anything from battles, and even then, how can it make their armor better, regeneration stronger, and/or weapons becoming better?

T5 is just a tier to separate end gamers from experimentals. Supcom had endgamers(Mavor, Paragon, etc), but they were still lister as experimentals. Also, I am not sure making pds this strong is any hood idea. Imagine getting next tier of units much earlier than your opponent for it to just be stopped by a basic t1 pd. There has to be a fine balance between efficency of aggressive and turtling style, and pushing it further into turtling us gonna likely make game more boring and stale. Turret balance like in FAF is ok/good in my opinion.

For now it's intentional. The bonus is better adjacency and better space efficiency.

Yes, most of the units will get death animations, rn we have only basic walk animations (those will be improved as well) Factions have their own specific weapons and colour ranges, but currently when you play survival it spawn units of all factions, since we don't have that many units working yet. Thats why you can see a mix of everything.

@@speed2cz Im really glad to hear that... Also a thing that i heard from a lot of experienced faf players: Will the UI change color and positioning wise? I know, ui is probably the last stuff u guys will improve, because its not as important at first. But it really looks a bit off and "one-coloured" its hard to tell ur ressources compared to the faf energy and massbar (simply because of the color diversity and position on the screen) Ty for the work so far guys. Cant wait to play it

I think the biggest factor with the eco panel is that ppl from FAF are used to their panel at their position. Thats like 90% of the issue. Once you get used to Sanctuary one, and that happens quickly when you play the game, most of the issues go away. Else, as the rest of the UI, it will be improved later as it does it's job right now.

That will have to come later, commander now have just basic weapons, and most of them are just temporary. So once we improve that and add some upgrades we will show more action

That's nice, i hope this game will have all supcom gameplay mechanics. world just need fresh supcom like game, by New engine technology, with a little changes

@@speed2cz OK great. I just love using the commander as a weapon.. bc that's what he was intended to be.. Can't wait to see all the cool upgrades and idea they plan to do with the commander in this game!!

Yes, here's our latest song ua-cam.com/video/_kGkorf9MI4/v-deo.html

Formations will be adjusted a lot in the future, better spacing, spacing based on unit sizes, smarter unit placement based on their role, etc

Hi, those are valid points, but it would be fitting more for an edited video about Sanctuary. This livestream was more of a QA session with the community who already knows the basic. So showing what we have right now, while answering questions. In the future streams I'll be focusing more about explaining different features, things and plans as well.

Sanctuary is heavily inspired by supreme commander FA(FAF community mod closer to be), not Zero-k( devs said a couple of times that they will not add AI unit behaviour like in Zero-k) I doubt those shields shenanings with directive shields or being good only against some type of weapons is any good( like, EDA almost never/never use lazers, most of Chosen weapons are plasma, etc). This is just gonna be too annoying to manage in Sanctuary, which is gonna be much bigger in scale than Zero-K. Units that penetrate shields or overall anti-shield weapons are a bad idea, because the core feature about one faction is all their units having shields and relying quite a lot on them. Stealth(in meaning of invisibility to radars) is gonna be a thing, but only EDA are gonna have mobile/personal options. Other 2 factions will only have static building that gives stealth around it. Melee damage from experimental units is gonna be a thing, but only true melee damage is gonna be T4 EDA Harvester/Mobile factory with giant shredder in front. Weather control system would allow you to freeze/unfreez water and maybe some other options. I guess how much is gonna depend on success of their upcoming kickstarter. Dyson sphere - the game is set on Dyson sphere in our solar system in 28th century, 3 factions are fighting over it after some some stuff, and with certain super weapons you can break the very ground below you and drop your enemy's army/base into the sun. Mirrors are in space to redirect light that is comming out of the sphere back on its surface, since living and fighting is on the outside of it. "Just a mod is enough to change skins on any other title and have the same result,maybe download some extra new maps to spice things up." No, it isn't. There are plenty of people who like playing supreme commander (Not BAR or Zero-k), and the issue is that Supreme commanders suffers hard from its very old and inefficient game engine. The community needs a new game that fixes this issue. "there is nothing new to experience" yes, because this is pre-aplha. Devs are only slowly finishing job on the very basics of the game. You can't be adding cool new unique stuff when the core of it is not working, and the core of it is obviously gonna look similar to other games of this genre. If you want more details, go into their discord server and look around. They have tons of unique features planned that I am not gonna write down here

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In short it would be that BAR is more inspired by TA, while Sanctuary is inspired by SupCom. Scale is larger, graphics is more realistic instead of stylized. And then the new features like breaking the map or changing weather.

@speed2cz The specific question that comes to mind is how much control scheme inspiration are you taking from BAR? Will there be line formation drawing? As for unit diversity, the roster better be as rich or richer than BAR. I don't want to play another planetary annihilation like dumbed down version of total annihilation with map gimmicks.

@@kingfisher1638 I dont know BAR that well, with the control we're taking inspiration from more games. What you can see in the game right now is just a quick first implementation.

@speed2cz I understand the current state of the game, my problem is with the vision for the final product. You should honestly become more familiar with the control scheme that BAR offers. I have barely played supcom since switching to BAR because the controls are so superior. Also the unit variety and roles in BAR offer more than supcom. Graphics and map features are nice, but they do not make the game. Unit variety and controls do.

​@kingfisher1638 from my experience, I am not sure it us exactly possible to get as much unit variety as BAR, because the game is much bigger in scale, and you just won't have time to manage both it and huge unit variety, at least not into 1 faction. When I was asking about units on official BAR Discord, some people have said that many units are noob traps. I would rather have less, but unique units than tons of units that do very similar jobs( like you have same raid + AA + anti-heavy + anti-swarm +artillery etc multiplied by 3 for hover/vehicle/bot factories.

Oh you mean an RTS with mechs ? lol.. so does that mean Supcom, Zero-K etc all look like BAR ? Take your blinkers off and open up your eyes!!

@@peterfrancis7082 yeap, exactly, looks the same. And btw all these titles... why RTS is "back"? It didn't go anywhere

I think it can be a radial menu as well? Your idea sounds great, actually

That's because it's heavily inspired by a game by the same team as the game that inspired planetary anihiliation

​@@fantasypvp No, none of the devs of Sanctuary worked on either TA or supreme commander, but many of them were modders for supcom FAF

@@inversepie6512 And they will have it in the future. All current animations are very basic